“hold off, Is This a Date?” Podcast Episode 203: Dating Men | Autostraddle

An enjoyable fact in regards to the queer area is many people have actually knowledge dating males. No, I am not only speaing frankly about the cis homosexual males — I’m speaking about the majority of

our

audience! (Though I do expect we’ve got a sizable contingency of cis homosexual male listeners tbh.) Whether you’re a lesbian exactly who dated males as a teenager or a queer person who dates quite a few genders, our very own community is too blended and gender is way too difficult to exit guys — cis and trans — out-of all of our conversations.

That’s why recently our very own subject is actually online dating males and all of our extremely unique visitor is publisher, manager, podcaster, icon, and my personal closest friend, Gaby Dunn! For individuals who don’t know all of them, Gaby happens to be online dating guys in their whole identification journey. They consult with united states about matchmaking guys if they thought they were a cis lady and online dating males since they may be aside as transmasculine. We will also get in to the awful cis males from Boston that Christina dated before coming-out and question the reason why You will find a desire to bang Jon Hamm.

But initial! We perform a-game we name “Netflix & Shill” that asks these types of questions as: How gay is the Olsen dual vehicle

Nyc Instant

?

SHOW NOTES

+ if you need more of Gaby discover
the bout of terrible with cash
that Christina and that I happened to be on a year ago.

+ Since tracking, Gaby had gotten their particular two brand-new Swayze tattoos!

+ and simply a note: you really need to enjoy

Path House

.

+ crucial video footage of
Jenifer Lewis at the 2019 GLAAD Awards
:

+ Jaida Essence Hall. The
hottest pig in town.

+ see Gaby’s short film,

Grindr Kid

.

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EPISODE

Gaby:

I think easily get top surgical procedure, it will change tremendously. That’s my fear usually as soon as I get leading surgery, this option will probably be like, “hold off a minute.”

Christina:

“hold on tight. You took the titties away.”

Gaby:

Correct. That is what I think.

Christina:

“What’s going on?”

Gaby:

“hold off a minute. You may have complete hair on your face and shh, nevertheless these titties are giving myself an on” after which while I do not have them, I’m wondering whateverwill imagine.

[theme song performs]

Drew:

Hi, I’m Drew.

Christina:

I Am Christina.

Drew:

This is,

Wait, Is This a romantic date?

Christina:


Wait, So Is This a night out together?

is an Autostraddle podcast about dating and learning if everything is times alongside topics, as we decide, those topics is, even as we record even more episodes of this podcast also known as,

Hold off, Is It a romantic date?

That took a turn. Have got to say, failed to anticipate an individual phrase to recover from my throat where purchase, but wow, right here the audience is.

Drew:

We noticed that inside our intro, I have provided you the responsibility of claiming something totally new anytime. We say, “Thank you for visiting hold off, So is this a Date?” however get, “Christina,” and you also arrive at only ad lib and it’s really constantly entertaining.

Christina:

It’s always anything. As the saying goes, hefty could be the mind that wears the top and my personal top is, periodically, these earphones and this also podcast.

Drew:

Incredible. I am Drew Gregory. I am an author for Autostraddle, a filmmaker. You stated finally time that I always paused before I say my personal identities. Once again, i am a queer trans girl and basic homosexual person.

Christina:

That’s gorgeous. I’m Christina Tucker. I’m in addition an author at Autostraddle while the internet abound, i will be a gay cis lady. In that way, i do believe we are a very stunning group.

Drew:

When I think about Christina, I think cis lady.

Christina:

Yeah.

Drew:

I do not imagine big faggot.

Christina:

Yeah. No. many thanks. Which, really, in addition extreme element of my personal identity will be a gigantic faggot.

Drew:

Yeah.

Christina:

I’ve heard a rumor you have a game title in my situation.

Drew:

I certain carry out.

Christina:

By i have heard a rumor, i am talking about, you texted myself right.

Drew:

Yeah.

Christina:

In several ways, what exactly is a rumor? Who can say? It can be anything you like it to be in the interests of a podcast.

Drew:

I am hoping it is okay.

Christina:

Oh son.

Drew:

I’m merely going to chat for a little while and also you don’t have to state anything because I really don’t would like you to incriminate your self.

Christina:

Okay.

Drew:

You always work for a merchant account known as, Most. It was not possessed by Netflix. Really don’t actually understand the internal functions, but essentially, it was responsible for discussing the queer material on Netflix every month. Now, before Netflix chose to fire a bunch of their queer staff members prior to Pride, but before

that,

you’re the main staff that has been in charge of pitching everything I would say is Netflix’s lackluster queer content material. Every month, more profile had been tasked with issuing the queer content the month. Frequently, there seemed to ben’t adequate queer content material or even the queer content which was truth be told there, Netflix, for reasons uknown, failed to like to market because it was maybe too edgy or was actually foreign or whatever.

A lot of the stuff that’s on these lists would be to call it queer is actually reasonable, but as you don’t have that job, I thought you might do one final hurrah, a-two months notice if you will that was not awarded through this agency. I have a game known as, “Netflix and Shill” where i’ll list titles that have been in the monthly “this is what’s queer and coming to Netflix.” We haven’t viewed these, but I do believe that several commonly… no less than the queerness is actually subdued or small or supporting fictional character. The thing I’m want to from you is for that reveal to me the reason why this work of mass media is so significantly vital that you queer history and also the queer area.

Christina:

Okay. I do believe i will repeat this and not get charged.

Drew:

Great.

Christina:

I believe which is thrilling.

Drew:

Great. Well, okay. All of our first subject is actually, a Netflix leading show. We are going to choose

Bridgerton

.

Christina:


Bridgerton

.

Bridgerton

is actually deeply vital that you the queer society considering two stars, the leads of, i suppose, this last season are both queer. We celebrate queer actors whether or not they are both playing right by doing so.

Drew:

That’s actually gorgeous.

Christina:

Yeah.

Drew:

Queer actors can play direct functions.

Christina:

Yes, capable. Actually, Jonathan Bailey performed a pretty impressive job of being a straight man. Advantageous to him.

Drew:

I actually do love that. Okay. After that up,

Could it be Cake?

Christina:


Is-it Cake?

Frankly, of Netflix real life suggests that we watched inside my period here, I experienced a ball watching

Is it Cake?

which will be sometimes a discuss what number of terrible reality programs discover or exactly how damaged my head had been by this job. It really is tough to say.

Is-it Cake?

had a bevy of queer contestants but also, a lot of homosexual judges including Rebecca Ebony, that has been extremely fun and exciting.

Drew:

Right. Which is wonderful.

Christina:

Yeah.

Drew:

Okay. The ’90s movie,

You Have Mail.

Christina:

Quick cameo from Sara Ramirez and Nora Ephron truly knows how to write and gays like writing. I’m not sure.

Drew:

I think we carry out like authorship. I will confirm that.

Christina:

It is far from my favorite associated with Ephrons, but it is here. Its during the canon.

Drew:

Positive.

Christina:

But I do imagine it had been that 10-second Sara Ramirez minute.

Drew:

Okay. Wow. I found myself gonna say i will rewatch it because Really don’t recall all of them staying in it, but perhaps I shouldn’t rewatch it. That is to express. Up coming upwards is actually,

I Know What You Did Last Summer.

Christina:

I’ll draw a large old blank with this one. Gays would love terror in a fashion that Really don’t because I’m not that kind of homosexual. Screaming is actually camp. I don’t know. Who is going to say?

Drew:

You heard it here, folks, yelling is camp.

Christina:

Who is able to state? Really don’t even know easily’ve ever viewed that movie, to be truthful. I need to have as like a kid. I have to have considered it then chose, no, horror is simply not for me.

Drew:

Up coming upwards is just one you probably have seen.

New York Second.

Christina:

That’s the Lindsay Lohan movie, i really believe.

Drew:

I think it is Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen.

Christina:

Absolutely a Lindsay one that’s also about nyc, but who has something to carry out with chance or something. Again, Mary-Kate and Ashley tend to be renowned and that they tend to be swamp witches today and refuse to do anything regular aside from want, generate huge beige clothing when it comes to Row, that’s somehow fairly homosexual of them, but really, I don’t believe I have seen that film.

Drew:

Wow.

Christina:

I do support the Olsens inside their work.

Drew:

I enjoy that.

Christina:

And/or their unique insufficient work lately. In my opinion that’s in fact equally inspirational. They actually place in their particular time as young ones.

Drew:

Another one i’ve not observed and you also probably have not viewed it. I attempted to Google just how homosexual it absolutely was and that I don’t believe its gay. Possibly really homosexual and I only…

The Lincoln Lawyer

. Is

The Lincoln Lawyer

homosexual?

Christina:

Exactly What?

Drew:

With Matthew McConaughey?

Christina:

If it’s, i’m shocked to hear it. I am trying to… No, I’ve not witnessed it. I understand somewhat about Lincoln. He had been tall.

Drew:

He was in addition rumored to be like somewhat homosexual, and that’s why i am love, “Was The Lincoln Lawyer about… had been Matthew McConaughey playing a homosexual attorney?” I really don’t think so based on my rapid Google, but listener, if you’ve seen

The Lincoln Attorney

, please send us an email. Just how gay is it?

Christina:

Yeah. My estimate will say that there surely is some softly homosexual subplot or there is a gay star inside it.

Drew:

Great.

Christina:

That will be the two factors it might improve record.

Drew:

Okay.

My Personal Closest Friend’s Wedding Ceremony.

Christina:

The essential legendary homosexual buddy, In my opinion, ever in Rupert Everett. Seriously, the only real rom-com that has had a finishing that I ever really recognized with because lady, you will be alone but you will get most readily useful homosexual pal truth be told there during the wedding available. That is gay culture.

Drew:

That has been a simple one, but it felt really worth discussing. This, additionally, can be an easy one for you specifically, the 1982,

Annie.

Christina:

Though i’m a music faggot, guy, carry out I dislike

Annie?

Because boy, perform I detest kids performing above most situations worldwide. I find all of them very irritating. I think, “sunlight comes away Tomorrow” is amongst the worst tunes in musical movie theater record.

Drew:

Bernadette Peters is during this one, right?

Christina:

Bernadette is in any particular one. That is the any with Bernadette, which is like sufficient could be sufficient for my situation. She actually is notoriously a sticker to my drinking water package, but i obtained nothing.

Drew:

That isn’t an expression. I want to make clear.

Christina:

No.

Drew:

That will be actually… there is a Bernadette Peters sticker-on Christina’s h2o bottle. Yeah, looking at it nowadays. There you decide to go.

Christina:

She’s above Viola Davis.

Drew:

That is breathtaking.

Christina:

I really like record. Herstory, I’m sorry.

Drew:

I have three more. Oscar nominated film,

You Shouldn’t Research.

Christina:

Cate Blanchett gets to state whatever she wants because of

Carol,

I believe. I do believe that’s all.

Drew:

Okay.

Christina:

Gay guys love Ariana Grande.

Drew:

Yeah. We certainly watched that flick though I like to imagine inside my mind that i did not as it had been so bad, but I didn’t remember there becoming any homosexual figures. Was Jennifer Lawrence bisexual on it?

Christina:

She had a bisexual haircut involved.

Drew:

Okay. Which is adequate. Okay. Two even more.

My Personal Minimal Pony: A Unique Generation.

Christina:

I don’t know what the results are with those ponies.

Drew:

Are they gay?

Christina:

They’re ponies. My instinct claims certainly. There’s something homosexual about stating the phrase, “My small pony,” but what does occur thereon program, that’s not my personal company.

Drew:

Great. Well, we now have yet another, that I don’t know should you have observe this one for work, but I’ve heard things.

Diana: The Musical.

Christina:

Oh child performed we see

Diana: The Musical.

Which was very difficult to view. I am aware there clearly was a contingent of movie theater gays who will be want, “No. In fact, we’re fearlessly developing to say that

Diana: The Musical

is brilliant.” I would like to have a very long consult with those gays because Im perplexed by that. Really, it is musical, so sorts of like, gays like a music, and, i do believe this lady valet or something like that is homosexual but not specifically gay, but features a large homosexual guy dressing a pretty girl electricity. Boy, that musical had been awful.

Drew:

Will there be mention of supports the musical?

Christina:

Oh yeah, there is certainly a complete, indeed, world that I actually blocked considering traumatization because it’s a music number about having HIV and AIDS and it’s terrible, terrible, bad lyrics.

Drew:

Wow.

Christina:

Lyrically a flop.

Drew:

Wow. Really, this was a very breathtaking time.

Christina:

Yeah.

Drew:

Thank-you for playing this hazardous game with me. I would like to declare that while I really don’t help big companies or comedians who’re transphobic, I do love the program, gender Education and I also would get Netflix money which will make my tv series whenever they need. Just putting that in the record.

Christina:

In my opinion which is a good thing become regarding the record.

Drew:

Perhaps next we’ll put some popcorn and see The Lincoln Lawyer.

Christina:

I adore that. Of all motion pictures in the list, that’s the one the place you’re want, “I’ve had gotten some concerns we got to untangle indeed there.”

Drew:

Really, why don’t we move on to all of our topic of this few days, and that’s matchmaking males. We usually say, we have a tremendously special visitor because do not do like maybe not special friends because what’s the point having a podcast for that.

Christina:

Yeah.

Drew:

But this person is my best friend. I am going to allow them to present on their own.

Gaby:

Oh my personal Jesus. Hi. I’m Gaby Dunn. I am Drew’s companion. I am also an author and a noted internet bisexual gay individual. Yeah. I operate in TV and movie. Sometimes guides, occasionally podcasts. I’m sure you will perform some thing by the end, and is like, “promote whatever you decide and need promote or whatever.” I Will Not bore you up very top, but…

Christina:

Do not.

Gaby:

Yeah. Primarily, Im your friend. Hi.

Christina:

Yeah.

Gaby:

Yeah.

Christina:

Yeah. That’s the best part, I think.

Drew:

Ever dated men?

Gaby:

Oh my God. Oh guy. Okay. Here is my personal quest.

Drew:

Yeah.

Gaby:

I found myself like the bisexual cis lady for the net for a while. We, yeah, outdated some guys. Now, i am like a nonbinary transmasculine person. I’m nevertheless internet dating men, but it is different. My lover is actually a transmasculine individual. They can be on testosterone, then other folks I’m watching are several trans men. There is one cis man, but he’s lifeless in my opinion at this time and others that… It’s reached be more of a T4T circumstance upwards in right here, but yeah, I familiar with date a whole lot of… we are roasting cis males. Is what we should’re carrying out?

Drew:

No. No, I’d never ever. No. I do believe the thing I’m into is actually, when we happened to be first talking about the summer season and possible subject areas and guests, this was back in January, I was like, “Oh, really, once, we’d have Gaby, I think they will be men.” Which is also a fascinating dynamic. I’m not sure about that, however it certainly hasn’t perhaps not become a reality in a few ways. I am contemplating simply mapping the trajectory of all the various ways. Demonstrably, gender is difficult. Every individual commitment is actually its own union, but I know Christina provides knowledge internet dating cis males as a cis lady. You have got skilled online dating cis guys as a “cis girl.”

Christina:

Positive.

Drew:

You have got knowledge dating trans guys as a “cis woman.”

Gaby:

Yeah, atmosphere estimates. Air quotes around all that.

Drew:

Yeah. You Simply Can’t see the air rates because—

Christina:

Oh they may hear all of them. They were very audible toward audience.

Gaby:

Yeah.

Drew:

Today, you’re a transmasculine individual nonetheless online dating males, both cis and trans. I don’t know. I’m simply into stepping into the distinctions and specific habits.

Gaby:

Certain.

Drew:

And exacltly what the connection was to men as… truly, absolutely a massive difference between being a closeted transmasculine person and a cis lady.

Gaby:

Yeah.

Christina:

Yeah.

Drew:

Both of you provide those views and wow.

Christina:

Yeah.

Drew:

Just how exciting personally.

Gaby:

Okay. Here is the thing. I’m 2 months on T, at this time, as we speak. Definitely a really various journey. We was released as nonbinary this past year, practically this past year. I happened to be nonetheless super femme at the time although, precisely what does which means that? I’d long-hair, but We have cut my personal locks. I’m on T. The T is beginning to exhibit. You will find somewhat mustache. I continue to have tits. I recently don’t ever before recognize them. Today, it is just a little interesting making use of cis direct males that I see because i am similar, “carry out i need to care about everything determine since? Really does that matter to me? What are you? Preciselywhat are you seeing myself as? What’s this?”

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